God and Man, Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse

The relation between Creators and Creations

by Roger Bourke White Jr., copyright May 2008

Introduction

If a god created this universe and can move freely through it in space and time, then this god is a 4D, 2T being -- he/she/it lives in four dimensions of space and two dimensions of time.

We, his creation, mankind and the universe we live in, are a 3D, 1T creation. (Note that the dimensions I'm talking about in this discussion are not String Theory dimensions, those dimensions are a totally different topic.)

This business of difference in dimensionally is not a "Ho-hum... so what? God still loves me." issue. It's big. It makes a difference. It means that what God is thinking when he says something is quite different than what humans are thinking when he says something.

To see how big a difference this makes, lets look at an Earthly analogy of a creator with different dimensions than his creation. Lets look at... Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse cartoons.

Walt Disney was a 3D, 1T being who created a 2D, 1T universe which contains a being called Mickey Mouse.

Creator and Creation

First off, did Walt Disney love and care for Mickey Mouse? He most certainly did!

Second, did Walt Disney care if Mickey Mouse went to church and praised Walt Disney as his creator? Not in the least. If he did care, he would have drawn cartoons with Mickey Mouse doing that.

Notice that Walt Disney could easily have done this, but he would have considered it meaningless.

Notice also that this level of control means that Mickey Mouse has no free will. Mickey Mouse is not going to surprise Walt Disney that way.

Mickey will surprise Walt Disney in how Walt feels about the way a cartoon turns out, but he's not going to surprise him with any spontaneous action in the cartoon.

Third, how does Walt Disney communicate with Mickey Mouse? Well... he draws a cartoon, that's how he communicates. If he discourses with Mickey, he does it by drawing himself in a cartoon talking with Mickey.

Is Walt really in the cartoon? No.

Are Mickey's actions affected by what the cartoon Walt says? No, only the real world 3D Walt affects Mickey's actions.

Conversely, how does Mickey communicate with Walt? Well... Walt thinks about him, and Walt draws a cartoon where Mickey is talking. Mickey never says anything to Walt that Walt doesn't draw him saying.

Fourth, if Walt tells Mickey, "I'm going to bring you into my 3D world." what does he mean? Does he mean that the soul of the cartoon is going to move out of the cartoon? No, he means that he's going to have an actor put on a Mickey Mouse costume and do a 3D caricature of the 2D cartoon character. This action is very real to Walt, but utterly meaningless to the cartoon Mickey.

Did cartoon Mickey's 2D existence prepare him for being a 3D costume? Walt Disney would say, "Oh yes! If I hadn't drawn the cartoon, and learned from that, I wouldn't have known how to create the costume, and the actor wouldn't have known how to act while wearing it."

The point being, in the Creator's eyes there is a distinct linkage, but the creation does not experience a thing!! Mickey Mouse cartoons are not changed one wit by the 3D Mickey costume -- the soul of Mickey does not move from one to the other.

God and Man

It is likely that Man's relation to his creating god is similar to this Walt Disney - Mickey Mouse relation. That means that what god plans for man, and what man thinks god is planning for man bear almost no relation to each other. It means that preparing to go to an afterlife may have quite a different meaning for the creator than it does for the creation.

It means that the soul that is part of our 3D body may not have any noticeable connection to the perfected body that the creator makes from the inspiration our mortal experience has given him.

Notice that this god I'm describing is a loving and caring god. He loves and cares just as Walt Disney loved and cared about Mickey Mouse. If our creating god does his loving and caring in his 4D, 2T universe, we 3D, 1T creations of his will likely not feel a thing of it.

I offer this as an alternate description of a loving, caring creator god.

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Roger White and Mickey Ratsass

The Story of a Creator and his Creation

by Roger Bourke White Jr.

copyright May 2008

Introduction

Hi. I'm Roger White, the writer of this story and the creator of Mickey Ratsass. I'm a 3D 1T being: I live in three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. Mickey Ratsass, my creation, is a 2D 1T being: he lives in two dimensions of space and one dimension of time.

Mickey is a cartoon character, an animation, and I'm his loving and caring creator.

I love and care for Mickey, and I have created his entire universe.

What I'm exploring in this essay is: How do Mickey and I get along? How do we relate to each other?

I will talk about my relation with Mickey to illustrate how relations between beings of different dimensionality are conducted. The way I relate to Mickey is going to be similar to how a 4D, 2T being who creates 3D, 1T beings is going to relate to them.

What loving and caring 4D, 2T being has created tens of billions 3D, 1T beings? I will let you figure that out.

The Axiom of creating Mickey

First Axiom: First off, Mickey doesn't do a thing unless I put pencil to paper. This means he has no free will. He, in fact, does not think as I understand the meaning of thinking.

But, he can act like he is thinking. He does this when I draw in him in a way that makes him look like he's thinking.

This is Rule Number One of Mickey's universe: nothing happens in it until I put pencil to paper.

The Interesting Questions

First question: Am I a loving and caring creator?

Oh yes! I thought long and hard to create Mickey, and each time I create a new episode, I think more about him, and I care about how each episode comes out.

Second question: Can Mickey surprise me?

Well... yes and no. Mickey's actions can't surprise me. I draw him. I know exactly what he does.

What can surprise me is how I feel about what he does. I can be happy about how his animation turns out, or I can be disappointed. I can be surprised at how other 3D, 1T beings feel about Mickey when they watch him.

Will Mickey sense that surprise? Only if I draw him doing so. Well... not really. He can be drawn to show surprise, but he can't really think surprise in any 3D sense.

Third question: How do I talk to Mickey?

Well... I talk to him in many ways. The most common way is that I mutter while I draw him... but that way doesn't show up in any of Mickey's actions.

If I want Mickey to act like he is talking to me, I draw a picture of myself next to Mickey. Then I draw Mickey talking to that picture, and the picture of me talking to Mickey.

Is the picture me? No. Does Mickey think that picture is me? He does if I draw him that way. And I can draw him as if he understands what I'm saying.

Fourth question: How does Mickey talk to me?

Well... He doesn't, he's just a drawing.

But when I think about him, I think about him talking to me. I think about his motivations, and then I draw them in him. This is where Mickey gets surprising: sometimes I can draw his motivations clearly, sometimes they just don't seem to come out right.

Fifth question: Do I care if Mickey worships me?

I smile at this question. The only way Mickey is going to worship me is if I draw him doing so. To actually draw him going into a church and getting down on his knees to pray that he serves me well... and have him do this a lot... Hmm... sounds pretty narcissistic for my taste, but maybe some animators would enjoy it.

Sixth question: Can Mickey sin?

He can if I draw him doing so! Watch this!...

Well... not really. He's not doing it, I'm doing it.

Can he become habitually or irredeemably sinful? Only if I draw him that way. His audience may demand it of him, but his actions are really my habit, my will, not his. Note that he will change when I change, not when he changes.

Seventh question: Can my children learn from Mickey?

Oh yes! My children can watch and learn. Is Mickey the same as a child of mine? No way! He's a creation of mine, not a child of mine. There's a big difference.

Eighth question: Can Mickey live in 3D?

Yes! I can make a Mickey Ratsass costume, and have an actor get inside and perform.

Is 2D Mickey aware of what I've done when I make a 3D Mickey costume? Not really, because he's not really aware in the 3D sense at all... but I can sure draw him admiring the 3D costume! So, he can be quite aware of it in his world. And, ironically, the actor doing a 3D performance of Mickey is just as real as the 2D animation!

Ninth question: Is it necessary for me to draw a picture of my only begotten son living in Mickey's world so Mickey can be redeemed for his sins and the sins of his fathers? Is it necessary that this drawing of my son suffer a humiliating and painful death, so that he can take on the sins of Mickey, and then Mickey can join me?

What a strange question! I drew Mickey. The sins, if there are any, are mine!

What difference is the painful death of a drawing going to make to me? This is all so strange...

Where did this question come from?

Tenth question: Is Mickey created in my image?

He is... but it's a pale, pale image. He can't think like I do. He can't act like I do. He doesn't face the same world I do. Calling him an image of me is fun, but he sure can't act in my place in any meaningful way.

And, making a 3D, 1T version of Mickey, a Mickey costume, doesn't really bring him any closer to being like me, or being part of me.

Conclusion

The world of the creator and the creation are different. It is really hard to "map" processes, such as thinking and sin, from beings of one set of dimensions to beings of another set.

Those people who claim to know what the creator of our universe is thinking, have to explain how they are bridging a thinking difference that is similar to the difference between Roger White thinking and Mickey Ratsass thinking. If they don't have a good explanation of how they are doing that, they are just guessing.

Those people who claim there is an afterlife with the creator have to explain what the equivalent of a 2D creation is going to bring to the equivalent of a 3D existence. If they don't, then the afterlife is going to be the equivalent of a 3D Mickey costume being made from the inspiration of looking at a 2D Mickey cartoon.

This is some explaining that I've never seen done well by anyone who tells me he or she believes in a loving and caring Creator.

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